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God forgave (past tense) long before Jesus died. Many texts could be listed. The following are just a few:

“If my people who are called by my name humble themselves, and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and WILL FORGIVE their sin.” 2 Chronicles 7:14

“I acknowledged my sin to you, and I did not cover my iniquity; I said, “I will confess my transgressions to the LORD,” and YOU FORGAVE the iniquity of my sin.” Psalm 32:5

“Their heart was not right with him, neither were they steadfast in his covenant. But he, being full of compassion, FORGAVE their iniquity, and destroyed them not: yea, many a time turned he his anger away, and did not stir up all his wrath. For he remembered that they were but flesh.” Psalm 78:37-39

“YOU FORGAVE the iniquity of your people; you covered all their sin.” Psalm 85:2

“LORD our God, you answered them; you were to Israel a FORGIVING God, though you punished their misdeeds.” Psalm 99:8 NIV

“Who is a God like you, PARDONING iniquity and passing over transgression for the remnant of his inheritance? He does not retain his anger forever, because he delights in steadfast love.” Micah 7:18

“Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts; let him return to the LORD, that he may have compassion on him, and to our God, for he will abundantly PARDON.” Isaiah 55:7

Jesus taught, “For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.” Matthew 6:14-15

The Bible explicitly lists numerous reasons for Christ's death and resurrection. Paying off sins is not one of those, because God is a righteous Father who forgives. He does not need to be bribed into forgiving.

The Wisdom and Folly of Bob's avatar

Thanks for your thoughtful analysis. The vision of a God waiting to get paid (or repaid) seems to harken back to the very ancient view of gods, that they were like humans, but bigger.

As I have come to understand things, God is in need of nothing from me. God does not need my gratitude, praise, goodness, or sorrow, or repentance. Only I do. I can pray for or innovate nothing that would move God one way or another. What God requires of me are the things that heal my brokenness. If God wants anything, it is that I become more like God. God might inhabit my praise, my gratitude, my love, my good deeds - but God does not need them. If God should put me again into my hell, God will inhabit that too. If I descend into Sheol, You (God) are there.

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